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Rachel Maddow on Conan O'Brien

By Dorsey Shaw

On Friday night Rachel appeared on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" for a very entertaining chat including a discussion of her favorite childhood game called, "Iran."


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Stimulus

1 IT would seem to me that the US needs a stimulus package without raising the deficit.

2 We need a stimulus to help buisness and low income Americans deal with the holiday seasons.

3 Send out the earn income credits early Based on 2007 tax return.

4 You can easily do this because all the information is already in the tax information.

5 There are seal different ways to do this mathematically
A. You could retrieve all money back from 2008 tax return
B. Or you could charge percentage of that back in a 5 or 10 years period at 10 or 20 percent. This would keep the stimulus on going. In the tax payers can retreat all there money back.

Thanks
Tonya Dear

By aldear2296 November 24, 2008 - 4:19pm

"1 IT would seem to me that the US needs a stimulus package without raising the deficit."

Impossible. It will increase the deficit. Or at least our debt, no matter what. But the good news is that if there is a works project program that will fund the infrastructure projects that are already on the books, permits in place, engineering done, "i's" dotted, "t's" crossed, just waiting for the funding....the money spent on these projects will be repayed via income tax on the wages paid to those who will be working in decent wage jobs. Not to mention the benefits to local communities as consumer spending returns to normal....though hopefully this will be with more real money and less credit (have we learned something?). That's a start.

Investing in bringing infrastructure into the 21st century, as well as creating 'green collar' jobs will save our economy, and revive this country.

As for handing out "free" money, it's been done. I empathize with those who can't afford the holidays, and I'm going very low key this year, instead, helping out our struggling charities.

But bottom line is that long term... sustainable job creation is JOB #1.

Yoor show last night and other miscellaneous stuff

Rachel, Rachel... (sigh). Give the man some room! We got him in there now and please remember (and I know that I do not have to lecture you on this) this a r e p r e s e n t a t i v e democracy. If we wanted another sock-puppet Prez like Ronny (hell "this one" we've got until 1/20 - I can't say his name unless I am heavily medicated - couldn't even quality for that - remember the earphone?) jump on the Sarah bandwagon. Go ahead - grind up a turkey!

On the "bailout" for the auto industry - "Loan" not bailout - a bailout in Neo-con terms is anything we give to BFEE friends and acquaintences that does not have to be paid back and is given freely with no questions asked. These monkeys asked for a loan. Now then were they idiots for flying in on they're jets - hell yes! (Do you think they flew in formation? - you gotta admit that would be cool! Smoke on!!) Should we demand a plan? Of course (see loan vs bailout above). Should these guys be canned? Discounting the jet incident above, not sure really. Remember "Roger and me"? They still may be working out of past stupidity just like Barrack will, but that's why we ask for their plans!! And finally do we demand the cut all the perc's like club memberships, corporate cars, and exec dinning rooms? Well just a little modification - the YMCA, a K-car, Pinto, and Vega, and McDonalds - after all they companies have to have comp plans that remain competitive to attract such fine talent!

Please...

Let's not resort to name-calling...it is the last act of desperation.

SHUT UP...

..hatey! You're not fooling anyone with your standard 'new sock-puppet/concern troll' routine!

You nailed me.

You have proven to be a person of superior intellect. I mean why shouldn't Ms. Maddow be bashed because she is an openly gay women. That makes complete sense to any one with at least three brain cells such as yourself.....Oh wait, you only have two and one is giving CPR to the other. Sorry shithead, today isn't your day.

Let's impeach the president for lying-Neil Young

GOOD!

"..I'm sorry, but I can't respond to such a low life trailer trash type of intellect."

GO AWAY. You are obviously of an unique intellect that is far too superior to mingle with the likes of us.

Don't respond, hatey....I DARE you!

Betcha can't resist...

Never too late to get on board

That is exactly what your next president has in mind

Let's impeach the president for lying-Neil Young

By luvyababyNovember 24, 2008 - 11:52pm

Thank you for your helpful input.

Now DO be a GOOD little troll, and go out to the freeway, and play some dodge-car.

Dodging...

That is Obama's favorite sport.

Investigating the Bush Crimes?

Rachel,
Your suggestion of a "9/11 type Committee" investigating the Bush crimes is a poor idea.
The 9/11 commission did not investigate the available evidence to develop its conclusions; it began with conclusions then ignored and omitted all contrary evidence.
If We Americans want to investigate the Bush crimes; the first investigation must be an honest, well funded and independent prosecution of the people who demolished the World Trade Center buildings while safety workers were in them.
Nothing less will give the United States Government credibility among its intelligent citizenry.
$0.0
Coil

Re: Just Do it!

THX,

I'm trying.

Coil

Zeitgeist the Movie

By coilaacoyle November 29, 2008 - 12:36am

Hey coilaacoyle, do I know you? I live in Portland, Or. and am currently working construction at the Ronler Acres Intel site....I know someone who has the last name "Coyle" who is a lib and listens to KPOJ, who says that he occasionally blogs here.

Pardon Me?

You did not seem to have a problem with the 140 Clinton pardons.

Pardon Who?

Luvya,
Help me out here; how do you compare not telling about a partner giving you fellatio with the demolition of 3 skyscrapers while people were in them?

Zeitgeist the Movie

What Are You Talking About?

Did you forget that Clinton committed perjury before a Grand Jury? I think you actually did!

Well, there you go, there is no accounting for the powers of the human mind!

What are you talking about?

Here, let me ask again.

Luvya,
Help me out here; how do you compare not telling about a partner giving you fellatio with the demolition of 3 skyscrapers while people were in them?

Coil
AE911truth.org

Zeitgeist the Movie

What? Are We Back to THIS Old Righttard Wheeze?

Clinton lied to Congress - about an extramarital affair.

Bush lies to Congress, the American People, and the World every time he opens his treasonous mouth - and nobody has yet dragged him out of the White House in handcuffs, perp-walked him past the media w/out any way to cover his humiliated traitor's face, and subjected HIM to the kind of "enhanced interrogation" he's routinely had Arabic cab drivers and Quik-E Mart owners subjected to on the off-chance they might be part of a terrorist cell until he coughs up every last bit of how he's constantly betrayed all of us....

Selah.

Hey everyone

Looks like the trolls have come back around. Let's do our best not to feed them.

:cheese:

The auto bailout

A take on it from best selling author and sportswriter Mitch Albom, of the Detroit Free Press:

www.freep.com/article/20081123/COL01/811230371

Mitch is a voice of reason.

Thanks for the link. He's one of my favorite columnists and a great sports writer too! I too was appalled that Citibank was handed over money no questions asked and yet companies that actually build something are not being helped. I'm not suggesting that the auto companies have been run well, I worked in that industry for over 12 years and have loads of examples of bad management and waste. But I truly believe something has to be done to help get them back on the right track. We cannot let American car companies die out. Too many jobs rely on them. I grew up in Michigan and it's already so bad there. Many friends (and family-brother/sis in law have auto dealerships) work in the auto industry and I'm scared for them.

The Citigroup bailout

An angry rant about the Citigroup bailout and the Citigroup merger.

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/24/citigroup_deserves_...

Achtung: Language.

Michael Lewis

After hearing the lucid Michael Lewis interview on this week's On The Media, I find myself excited about his upcoming book on patterns in financial panics of recent decades.

I read Liar's Poker in high school and didn't get it (maybe because there wasn't much money floating around in the Appalachian woods, maybe because I'm slow). Then for years I confused Michael Lewis with Michael Kinsley, the Slate editor. The new book and the OTM interview have finally sorted that out for me.

Michael Lewis

Is this the "Moneyball" guy?

Yup.

Apparently he writes about money and sports, and about writing about money and sports.

Question

What if any is the connection between Michael Kinsley and Michael Doonesbury?

(Damn these popular first names.)

11/21 radio show, teevee section

Anti-nuclear proliferation column, subsection Iran:
"Iran has fenced off enough grazing land to maybe someday make a hamburger."
Eeeeeexcellent metaphor!

Sound quality:
What is that regular high beeping noise? An alert from the cameras as they cut back and forth? Surely the show's not that jumpy.
And why are people still overheard talking in the background? Are there tours going on during live broadcasts? (If I ever again see a fat intern in a team jersey walk back and forth four times behind either an interviewee or my fave anchors, I may write an angry letter to Congress.)

Silverton rebuffs protest of transgender mayor-elect

The pinheaded Phelps clan is at it again.

http://www.kval.com/news/35071914.html

Note the comments at the bottom.

:cheese:

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Infrastructure WPA

Obama's ideas about creating jobs by rebuilding our country's infrastructure: Yes, please! I can attest that this sort of thing works, too. I knew a great family in Hazzard whose patriarch, now in his 90's, put them solidly into the middle class by building concrete highway bridges* in the 50's and 60's. Every single kid in that hardworking family grew up to be something great.

The old WPA projects here out west are still beautiful, still a joy to see. Hiking up a stony mountain past the treeline and you see a 1930's-era lookout lodge for which every log had to be hauled up the mountain--it'll bring a tear to your eye.

* As important as concrete highway bridges are, I have always wished PA had more money to spend saving our old iron bridges. To this day I have to smile when I ride over a beautiful old steel bridge in e.g. NY or WA.

Great guests!

Eric Schmidt? Robert Redford? PA gov Ed Rendell talking the most sense I've ever heard from a Pennsylvania politician? Damn!

Eric Schmidt on our manufacturing base

Eric Schmidt might be misleading us when he says that U.S. manufacturing will be based on products not yet invented.

Schmidt: "We absolutely have a manufacturing base and that manufacturing base is a lot of new products that are yet to be invented here. The fact of the matter is it's better when you're inventing new things to also manufacture them next door so you can change them very quickly."

CAD/CAM software means that anything can be manufactured anywhere, with precise designs, changes and quality testing results communicated anywhere in the world instantaneously by the Internet, many prototyping steps eliminated by virtual modeling and many human workers eliminated by recycling tested design elements and digitizing production processes. Theoretically you could now send robot arms to mine the asteroid belt for materials, create larger and larger robot arms, and start a solar-powered manufacturing base in space for products that would be able to fly to earth under their own power (or not, for space-based applications).

Not Entirely, BB

Though I think you're right that Schmidt was blowing smoke when he said that to Rachel (and during his whole appearance, to be honest).

OTOH, while CAD design can cut a lot of corners, I still think there's a need for r/w versions built and tested by real people, just to make sure the damned things actually perform as advertised.

True.

Because of my job I'm more exposed to the kind of thoughtful engineering that creates the Volkswagen, the Mercedes, the BMW and the Porsche, rather than the Hummer. And a culture of consumers that think being informed and picky is normal and good. I can't help thinking that prior planning prevents predictable poor performance and having a really low opinion of the F.U.V. automakers.

VA revamp NOT by Google but "Sun Microsystems" as RESCUE PACKAGE

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BRAVO on the BURN PIT awareness, but there's still DU related illness that's been buried under the guise that the tainted experimental counter bio weapon vaccines are the sole cause of GULF WAR SYNDROME.

The problem is obviously that the uranium tipped projectiles essentially constitute NUCLEAR WEAPONS that is a WAR CRIME on par with the WHITE PHOSPHOROUS used in Falluja, except that heavy metal chelation is a partial remedy for radioactive urine (glow in the dark EYEBALLS, HA!), although the impact of calcium bonded isotopes surrounding bone marrow is incurable and will cause BIRTH DEFECTS in GI offspring in perpetuity.

www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html

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"Yucatan" = "I don't know"

A great man (Terry Pratchett) riffs on this aspect of colonialism, citing a list of landmarks named, in the local languages,

"Just A Mountain"
"I Don't Know"
"What?"

and

"Your Finger, You Fool"

How about the 5th post for a BOSE STEREO? TRMS trucker caps too!

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BTW:

That gas price explanation is pure PEAK OIL BS!!! The reason the EXXON MONOPOLY changes the price is purely PROFIT and POLITICS.

They were in theoretical jeopardy of a windfall profit tax for microsecond at one point and that didn't phase them. NOW it's a horse of a different color measuring drapes for the WH and GM et al are on the hot seat (heated GulfStream IV's leather couches), sooooo ... DUH!!!

Go ahead, ask Greg Palast. MAKE MY DAY!
www.gregpalast.com/opec-and-the-economic-conquest-of-iraqrnwhy-iraq-stil...

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And you were doing so well...

EOM

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Just can't help yourself, can you?

EOM

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

auto industrial

Youir interview with congressman Mark Kirk, said that the auw workers get to much vacation.Kirk how much work do on your job?

You Are Ideal!

I hope you will consider the job of replacing Alan on "Hannity and Colmes" on Fox, if offered. Olberman is an explosive blowhard, but you are able to convey your opinions in an effective style. Good Luck!

Calling All Constitution Geeks

Now this is interesting.

From Jack Balkin, Yale Law School:

"Can Hillary Be Secretary of State? or, Pass the Emoluments, Please"

The RMS blog is hinky about urls again, so I had to tinker with the url.
Copy this, stick it in the address block of your browser, hit "enter," and observe our guardians of the Constitution in action:

balkin.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-hillary-cant-be-secretary-of-state.html

Lovely

I don't want her to be Sec'y of State, and the fact that they're taking so long on this means it's about giving her some international limelight that costs her nothing and doesn't involve her undercutting Obama. With the cherries on top of vetting Bill's recent activities.

My feelings about Sen. Clinton's latest might be expressed by Molotov's Soda y Bohemia, except I'm not sure because I don't speak Spanish:

youtube.com/watch?v=vN97RBvw8fY

This post will self-destruct in 5... 4...

Van Gogh gin

I went to the opening of the latest exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art last night - very cool to be at the Met after hours. Included with the special access was cocktail hour. The gin used in my G&T was Van Gogh gin. I didn't even know that was a brand!

http://vangoghvodka.com/Van_Gogh_Vodka_Gin.html

Andrew Sullivan's Homage de Maddow!!!

posted today on his blog!
I remember a year or so ago when he dismissed her as that liberal lesbian radio personality.
There's a great artsy pic of her as well!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/new-talent....

Ann Coulter's jaw wired shut-that's cosmic justice!

Hee! Hee!

?!

She has weight issues? Or did someone punch her?

Silence of the Anns

Supposedly she fell and broke her jaw.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody

I hope everyone has a wonderful turkey day.

:gobble:

I'll be enjoying...

...my meat-free homemade sourdough biscuits, punkin' pie, and steamed broccoli with cheese. But the sentiment is nevertheless appreciated. Bon appetite!

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Fair enough

I hope everyone has a wonderful turkey or non-meat-turkey-substitute day, esp you, Cap'n!

:cheese:

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving!

From the Astronomy Desk of the TRMS/SAB:

"Plumes spewing from Saturn moon may contain water"

http://www.kval.com/news/tech/35133494.html

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

I know I said I'd hold off criticizing Obama for the 1st 6 mos..

...unless he does something outrageous. I'll hold to that, but he's pushing it with his advisor selections. And his refusal to prosecute torturers. And his refusal to boot Leiberman from his committee chairmanship.

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

From your lobes to God's "Ignore" File

EOM

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Why you persist, I'll never know

EOM

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

And persist

EOM

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Ya gotta wonder...

...if sometimes, deep in the night, ol' Singy asks himself: "Gee, maybe I am a few bricks shy of a hod".

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Please!

EOM

What's really BRILLIANT? Ana Marie Cox!

"Populous rhetoric has NO PARTY or REAL POLITICAL VIEW"

I'd bet my life that RM will NEVER bring Hightower on to debate Cox, EVER!!!

No wonder "Time" hired her. HA!


strait into the illuminati's gullet
- Cox SUCKER!!!

No more! You win! Everything IS a conspiracy!

Including this posting!

Bwaaaaaaa-haaaaaa-haaaa-haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

"It's Really NOT All About You, America...."

I spent Thanksgiving Day at our best friend's house in New York City (we spend Thanksgiving w/her and her Mom before heading to Baltimore for a Thanksgiving Weekend SF con), and she had CNN on all day showing the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. From their coverage, you would have sworn that the attacks specifically targeted U.S. and British vacationers - they kept repeating the rumor that the terrorists singled out "American and British" hostages....

...But when our friend's mother, a formidable Spaniard in her Nineties who'd run her own businesses in male-dominated industries for over a half-century, came over for dessert, she told us she'd been watching Spanish-language television, and they reported that over fifty of the hostages and victims were Spaniards, along with "a lot of French" (well, she IS Spanish - far as she's concerned, the French just encourage the Basque to blow up stuff!). I also remembered that, in-between all "the American and British" hostages and deaths, there was mention of the terrorists taking over "a Jewish center", and reports of Israel sending an assault team to India to deal with it.

So - apparently these attacks was not targeted at the United States, as a lot of our talking heads (including one on MSNBC who's reportedly ALREADY blamed Obama for it!, to the glee of some of the so-called "progressives" on BuzzFlash!) are alleging, but at Westerners in general (including Israelis). Hence my title for this comment....

I guess it's not all about...

...Israel, either.

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Missed all that news

Missed all that news reporting, fortunately, but by the time I'd heard about it, even the Seattle dailies were clear that it was a very coordinated attack. Well coordinated = Al Qaeda.

Who needs al Qaeda...

...when you got this:

http://www.kval.com/news/national/35218449.html

And this:

http://www.kval.com/news/national/35228974.html

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

You Know, It's the Wal-Mart Story That REALLY Gets Me

The terrorist attack is awful, but what made it awful is all on the terrorists. Those people didn't have a hand in being killed or held hostage for three days - though I'm somehow sure SingSing will follow this w/a lengthy and rambling post, full of PhotoShopped illustrations and unattributed links, to justify how nobody there was innocent and all those tourists somehow deserved to die.... :/

The gunfight in the Toys'r'Us - pretty much the same thing. Two guys come backing heat into a toy store and decide to have a shootout is bad, but again it's on them, not anybody else in that store.

But the Wal-Mart employee getting trampled to death by a bunch of shoppers because he didn't open the doors fast enough, and nobody stopped to help him in their rush for bargains? That's disgusting on so many levels I can't even sort most of them out, and makes me frankly ashamed to be an American....

I wonder what the odds are...

...that two people will go into a freaking toy store, armed. In America, probably pretty good. I think that says something about this country as a whole, and not just the two perps.

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Scena'r'Ios

Store employees? Or parents involved in a d-i-v-o-r-c-e?

Or...

...just random gun-nuts in love with Amendment 2.

"Fear. It's the oldest tool of power. If you're distracted by the fear of those around you, it keeps you from seeing the actions of those above."--Fox Mulder

Whale-Mart

"All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest."

You are correct, it isn't all about us...

but that seems to be the trend in the media. Perhaps it's their way of trying to get Americans interested in the story (which by the sheer magnitute we should be interested). But unfortunately, many Americans are only interested if it somehow affects them. The local media is the same way with stories, they're always talking about "the Ohio connection" and when I lived in Michigan it was the "Michigan connection".

Economic data

If good economic data are collected for today's shopping (yawn) results, and well interpreted and honestly reported, we may get a reliable indication of the true state of our economy by comparing this year's day-after-Thanksgiving numbers with last year's.

A different perspective of abortion

From the viewpoint of a medical student deciding whether or not to become an abortion doctor, in this week's WaPo magazine. The featured med student is one of my former students:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111401698...

Very cool

Thanks, chemgirl.

Best of Rachel's last guest Friday--'Reprisal' you say???

That last guest brought up my indignation.

I've heard him speak before, and this was consistent with his usual centrist-appeaser stances.

But what got me today was that TWISTED LANGUAGE he used, but he (and all who speak his twisted tongue) need to get this straight:

'Justice' does not equal your use of the word "reprisal". But you equate the call for 'Justice', in areas such as illegal (AND immoral) TORTURE, theft of the treasury, 9/11 (was it a case of neocon-style domestic terrorism to manipulate the citizenry?), privatization of the election process and the military, the horrendous failure of FEMA during and after Katrina, and the Hellish war and destabilization waged against the Iraqis -- you equate seeking justice on these incidents with mere 'reprisals'.

Reprisal has little to do with law (except in Bushworld). We don't want reprisals! We want JUSTICE -- good, old-fashioned LEGAL Justice! JUSTICE is more important than mere reprisals!

===
The future belongs to those who believe
in the beauty of their dreams.--Eleanor Roosevelt

Best of Rachel; Justice

Yep,

Justice equals credibility.
No Justice, no Credibility for this Government.

$0.02
Coil

Onkel Pat

My good will toward Pat Buchanan melts away with this paragraph from his 2008 book Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War:

"All about us we can see clearly now that the West is passing away. In a single century, all the great houses of continental Europe fell. All the empires that ruled the world have vanished. Not one European nation, save Muslim Albania, has a birthrate that will enable it to survive through the century. As a share of the world population, peoples of European ancestry have been shrinking for three generations. The character of every Western nation is being irremediably altered as each undergoes an unresisted invasion from the Third World. We are slowly disappearing from the Earth."

Great houses? With adorable inbreeding and charmingly obvious birth defects*. Bet you half a dollar that Onkel Pat would not choose to live within any vanished 20th-century empire except perhaps the post-WWII American empire, recently pissed away. "All about us" instead of "all around us"? Oo la la! I grew up in the third world, barefoot on a dirt road in Appalachia, playing with trees, and the situation has only gotten worse since then. I suggest that Onkel Pat grow up and get a passport. And stop talking eugenics if he isn't willing to raise children himself.

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(Terry Pratchett: "The city of Genua had run out of royalty, inbreeding having progressed to the point where the sole remain