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MSNBC Drops The News Ball

By Lionel

Maybe I had too much sauterne yesterday.  Maybe I OD'd on turkey tryptophan and was in fact asleep, or sleepwalking -- postprandial somnambulism, perhaps.  But while all hell was breaking loose at the Taj and terrorists ran amuck in Mumbai, and every legitimate news source and network seized the obvious opportunity to provide some coverage and analysis -- hell, only the Weather Channel didn't cover some part of this horrid day -- MSNBC, I could have sworn, broadcasted a seemingly endless, all-day "Lockup: Raw" marathon.  You know, that news powerhouse "Lockup: Raw," part of the interminable "Lockup" series, which details in mind-numbing tele-vacuity various interviews with monosyllabic, cretinous felons.  The show serves one purpose, though; it ensures that these felonious Boeotians will never see the light of day if parole officers happen upon these miscreants and their addled depictions of life in the hoosegow.

"Lockup" was the centerpiece of MSNBC's post 10 PM and weekend programming even before the Dan Abrams era.  You remember Dan.  For reasons never understood by anyone, and I suspect even Dan, he was given some programming position of honcho-in-residence. Dan had his own lawyer-cum-media pundit show and neither MSNBC nor Dan had a clue as to what it was about.  Multiverse string theory is easier to figure out.  For my money, the 80's classic "Prisoner: Cell Block H" would have sufficed adequately.  Something about chicks behind bars . . . . Paging Dr. Freud!

But, no, yesterday when MSNBC had the chance to blow off its penal programming and put, literally, anyone in front of the camera, what, with a veritable endless stream of incredible, mind-boggling video, they went with mind-numbing.  Yet again.  "Anchor" Contessa Brewer, bless her heart, tried at the top of the hour on occasion to cobble together something vaguely relevant.  MSNBC even called this Mumbai massacre "Breaking News."  I'm no Fred Friendly, but it seems to me that after a couple of days, you might want to lose the "Breaking" angle. By MSNBC's standards, the Vietnam War was still "Breaking" through year five. I suspect that when you have a nifty "Breaking News" graphic in your package, you go with it.   

News is defined as "the presentation of a report on recent or new events in a newspaper or other periodical or on radio or television."  I'd like to emphasize the "new" portion, i.e that which is fresh or has just occurred.  Moreover, news involves a duty and responsibility of a "news" organization, or an organization that knows what it wants to be when it grows up, to report instanter when cataclysmic events -- like a terrorist massacre -- occur.  CNN was by far the winner, hands-down. (Remember when they made their name?  That's right, Gulf War I.) Even the Faux News crew was very good. And how couldn't you have been "good"?  For Chrissakes, these "news" networks will suspend programming for a high-speed chase, an Amber alert or some crazed deer that breaks into a hardware store in Skaneateles, NY.  If it's caught on security tape, it's gold.  These folks live and die by video, graphics and B-roll.  If it bleeds it leads; you know the news aphorisms, and this was news porn. What were or weren't they thinking?

Look, I want MSNBC to succeed.  But you have to lose this ridiculous prison filler and be news 24/7.  I don't care if it's the best of Dan Abrams.  No, wait. Let me think about that one.  What could have possibly been the reason not to blow off the Folsom Prison Hour for live coverage of a terrorist attack?  Go 'head.  Think about that one.  I'll wait.

Let me be clear; I'm a fan of MSNBC. I love "Morning Joe" and start my day with it every day. Those two lovable mismatches, Joe and Mika, make my day.  Incidentally, the show should now be called "AWOL Joe," but I digress. Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are the collective breaths of fresh air: smart, articulate, entertaining, and great counter-programming to O'Reilly, the lummox.  Andrea Mitchell is top shelf. Chris Matthews is sui generis.  But you have to know what you want to be when you grow up.  This story wrote itself.  There was nothing to report but merely showing the video. Explosions, fire, blood, mayhem, carnage -- TERRORISM!  Remember that.  And at the doorstep of an Obama inaugural, no less.  This was news network malpractice.  Hell, bring in some second stringer to just fill the void. Remember, this story was nothing but pictures.  Amy Winehouse could have anchored this. Terrorism, 140+ dead. Obvious and easy. But, alas, "Lockup."  "Raw," no less.

Phil Griffin, listen to your old pal, Lionel.  I'm right about this one. 

Comments

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Here's some news:

November 28, 2008
Jamat-ud-Dawa (LET Political Wing) on Mumbai Attacks: "Not a Legitimate Tactic"
By Evan Kohlmann

In the aftermath of this week's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, Indian government officials and media outlets have already begun pointing a finger at Islamic militants in neighboring Pakistan -- particularly an organization known as Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET). The LET has been designated by the U.S. government as a proscribed foreign terrorist organization -- along with its accused political wing, Jamat-ud-Dawa (JUD).

Earlier this evening, I spoke via telephone with the official representative of JUD, Abdullah Muntazir, to discuss the situation in Mumbai and mounting allegations of involvement by LET and/or Pakistani Islamists. Muntazir strongly denied these charges, referring to the attacks as an "internal problem" for India. He repeatedly insisted to me, "we have nothing to do with it", and blamed Indian "propaganda" for "divert[ing] the attention of the public media" --- which he described as "their usual practice." Interestingly, during our conversation, Muntazir went even further and actually condemned the events that have taken place in Mumbai as needless "carnage": "Islam does not permit killing civilian people." He added, "I don't think that this is a legitimate tactic."
November 28, 2008 12:01 AM

"Not a legitimate tactic", eh?

Funny, that. It seems to have worked spectacularly well for Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker. Or did you conveniently ignore that "Thou shalt not kill" bit?

Now answer the question, loser.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Huh, misquoting scripture again, I see.

the correct term is "thou shall not murder". I guess the nuance escapes you. By the way, Congress authorized bush's actions.

By momofukuNovember 30, 2008 - 6:49pm

No wmd
No bin laden

Iraq was a war of opportunity for Bush cronies.

Bye dummy

A distinction made thousands

A distinction made thousands of years later in English common law.

Which translation are you relying on?

Is it "murder" or "kill"?

Is it "witch" or "sorcerer" or "poisoner"?

Is it "good will towards men" or "good will towards the children of Abraham"?

Does your copy include the books of Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, or Tobit?

Do try to keep up here. I know it's difficult for you being an unarmed child in a battle of wits, but I hold some hope for your eventual education and enlightenment.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Secular Progressives on a Losing Track

I find your "website" both curious and pathetic.

I have never seen so much bitterness, complaining, and immaturity at one site before. It is entertaining to see you far left liberals moaning and complaining about the movement of your messiah to the center. Didn't you all realize that was going to happen?

He's an empty suit for God's sake (sorry about the use of that word, S-Ps, I know it's not accepted in your lexicon)

Don't bother to spend too much time responding to me since my "one-time" logon provided by Airless America is all you guys are really worth, and I wouldn't dream of giving you a nickel in support.

Al Franken will lose in the courts, and you know it. Too bad for you. Thank God for us! And, Saxby Chambliss will win big time in Georgia as well. You S-Ps will be dying a slow painful death over the next few years, just wait and see.

The Fairness Doctrine will not work for you, nor will the AFL-CIO get paid back for supporting the messiah.

Thanks again. And to all of you lots of luck! not really.

Merry Christmas!

By RedistributionD...November 28, 2008 - 2:56pm

Another pathetic, irrelevant contard. It's nice that you could face your fears & crawl out from cowering underneath your bed to post your drivel. Now it's time to slink back underneath your race-car bed for the next 8 years.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

RedistrubutionD

You nailed it right on the head. Most, not all on this site are just silly little people playing at revolution, like this was still the 60's.

GOD BLESS
JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU.

By momofukuNovember 28, 2008 - 9:04pm

Looky here. I guess that Dubya's latest progeny has already learned how to use the internets. Way to go, little guy! You should probably work on gaining a little weight though.

Bush Passes Three-Pound Kidneystone

WASHINGTON—President Bush collapsed in the Oval Office after spontaneously expelling a 3-pound kidney stone from his bladder, sources reported Tuesday. According to witnesses, the president was attending his daily Iraq War briefing when he suddenly began shrieking loudly and clutching his abdomen, a mixture of blood and urine pooling rapidly around his feet. Bush was able to maintain consciousness through more than 20 minutes of excruciating pain, even after the jagged, grapefruit-sized crystal aggregation shredded his urethra and dropped from his left pant leg, finally rolling to a stop on the presidential seal in the middle of the Oval Office carpet. Bush is resting comfortably at Bethesda Naval Hospital.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

Merry Christians (leaving Iraq)

Bin Laden killing Americans again ....India

Bush and momo don't think its significant.

So Jesus was born close to the date of the winter solstice?

A date that the entire world celebrates in one fashion or the other.
That was convienient!
Actually, Dec. 25th was first made a state holiday by the emperor Aureilian in 274, in order to honor the god Sol Invictus. See, the emperors were trying to use religion to unite the Roman citizenry behind the Roman state- they decided monotheism would work great.
In the end Christianity won out, not through providence, but simply because it was the oldest and best established montheistic cult in the Empire. The Catholic sect beat the others to the punch and gave up that silly stuff about brotherhood and peace on earth. Their reward was to become the state religion of the Roman Empire.
The real reason for the season is to celenrate the fact that friggin' winter isn't going to last forever and the gods are bringing the sun back. So put up the Thule tree and drape it with the skins of the animals you sacrificed to the gods, Wotan conquered the frost giants again!

Redistribution of wealth?

Trillion dollars to the top one percent in a "so called" bailout.
12 billion a month in no bid contracts to American companies in Iraq (still no new roads or electricity, or running water, or...)
Bush giving out 363 TONS of 100 dollar bills of American taxpayer money in Iraq.
Tax breaks to oil companies as well as the largest companies in America.
Billions thrown at companies in no bid contracts after Katrina.
Secret illegal meetings with oil companies to decide America's energy policy (we see the results)

This has been the greatest redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1% in world history.

Then, you have these toothless Republicans who don't even live a "double-wide", who have no job, live on welfare and have no health insurance complaining that their imaginary "wealth" is being redistributed? Can this be happening?

These are the same people that believe "Noah's Ark" is a historical event and man lived with dinosaurs a la "Flintstones".

And then, they have the nerve to mock those that see the truth? As they sit there, pointing fingers, laughing, drooling, and complaining about the AFLCIO as executives get hundreds of millions for running American companies into the ground and shipping jobs overseas to toothless people that can't afford health insurance, and can't afford to live in a "double-wide".

They can't see the "irony" because they don't know what that means.

Good luck.

Hey deandd

You're still making up things as you go along, I see. None of you post has any factual merit. Just a lot of nothing. But, I would like to know where you get your information. I bet you just make it up as you go, don't you?

If you say the post

is not factual that means it is all true.

"Secular Progressives"? "S Ps"? You gotta be joking!

"Secular Progressives"? "S Ps"? You gotta be joking!

I think you just showed whatever "hand" you thought you had there. Obviously an O'Reilly watcher, as he is the ONLY one who uses that term. A term he made up himself and desperately repeats over and over in the hope it will somehow stick.
Unfortunately for you, all it managed to do for you is quickly put you into an even smaller and more easily labeled box of complete irrelevance.

BTW, you guys lost. BIG TIME. How's that bitter tasting right now?

Oh, wait...you were just joking , right?

See ya Rd!

Don't get hit by a bus or anything.
On second thought...

Ex-Defense Contractor Helps With Other Probes

Ex-Defense Contractor Helps With Other Probes
Friday, November 28, 2008; Page A07

Mitchell Wade, the former defense contractor who pleaded guilty in February 2006 to bribing former representative Randall "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), has assisted the government in investigating five other members of Congress, numerous government employees and several private contractors, according to a memorandum filed by his attorney on Wednesday.

Although none of those members is named, two are under investigation, according to the memorandum, and "three others have come under scrutiny for their receipt of straw contributions" from former Wade employees and one for the possible receipt of undisclosed gifts.

Wade, who is scheduled to be sentenced Dec. 15, faces a minimum of nine years in prison. Instead, based primarily on his cooperation with government investigators, he is seeking to have that sentence reduced to "a year of home detention, a fine of $250,000, five years probation and substantial community service," according to the sentencing memorandum filed on his behalf by his attorney, Howard M. Shapiro.

Wade's cooperation, which was important in the Cunningham trial, "has led to the guilty pleas or conviction at trial of seven other individuals," said the memorandum, which was first publicly disclosed by Seth Hettena on his blog.

Hettena wrote that Wade supplied a searchable electronic database of 150,000 documents, including the "bribe menu," which described how much money Cunningham wanted for each act that he undertook.

US Army deserter seeks asylum in Germany over Iraq

US Army deserter seeks asylum in Germany over Iraq
Andreas Buerger
Reuters North American News Service
Nov 27, 2008 14:36 EST

FRANKFURT, Nov 27 (Reuters) - A U.S. soldier who deserted his unit to avoid returning to Iraq has applied for asylum in Germany, saying the Iraq war was illegal and that he could not support the "heinous acts" taking place.

Andre Shepherd, 31, who served in Iraq between September 2004 and February 2005 as an Apache helicopter mechanic in the 412th Aviation Support Battalion, has been living in Germany since deserting last year.

"When I read and heard about people being ripped to shreds from machine guns or being blown to bits by the Hellfire missiles I began to feel ashamed about what I was doing," Shepherd told a Frankfurt news conference on Thursday.

"I could not in good conscience continue to serve."

Shepherd, originally from Cleveland, Ohio and ranked as an army specialist, applied for asylum in Germany on Wednesday, said Tim Huber from the Military Counseling Network, a non-military group which is assisting him.

...

So, fu obama, a deserter is your hero?

I bet you would like to be just like him, when you grow up.

I'm sorry...remind us again

I'm sorry...remind us again when you served?

He never did

The closest he ever got to serving was playing Halo for six hours, until a nine-year-old kicked his ass at it.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Why? Whats it to you?

It really is none of your business, when and where I served. Did you serve? Are you trying to say that only those that serve can support our troops, this war, (that by the way, was declared on us), etc? Why exactly did you ask that question? By the way, I did serve.

You served 1 year in prison

for welfare fraud in 1979. Arent you proud?

No. I'm saying that if you

No. I'm saying that if you haven't served during wartime, you have no business criticizing this soldier. Please...feel free to rhapsodize on topics about which you know nothing at all. I did not serve, since the military at the time wouldn't accept single parents, particularly in my family circumstances.

My father and uncle served in Vietnam (special forces), my cousin served in Gulf War I, Bosnia, and Gulf War II and left the military because of the policies of the Bush administration, another special forces soldier. My husband is an officer, a war veteran as well. I know the difference between someone who'd tough and a case of keyboard courage.

That's a bunch of BS.

Especially when one deserts during war. It is one thing to stand for your convictions, but another to run from them. If, as you say, you have had family who served, they will tell you, it is not, I repeat, is not his right to dictate government policy. If he disagrees with policy, then his only honorable option is to refuse to serve and suffer the consequence's, not run away. In wartime, he can be shot, as other deserters have been throughout the history. ?And by the way, what right do you have to tell me who I can and cannot criticize? And under what circumstances? And FYI, how do you know when I served? I am a Vietnam era vet, and proud of it.

And thank your family for their service.

You are a convicted welfare cheat

former heroin addict, and all around liar. Nothing more.

You don't sound like you

You don't sound like you know enough about the military to have served. Anyone who has, especially during Vietnam, would know the penalty for desertion is a jail sentence, the last soldier shot for desertion during war time was in 1945. Given the considerable number of desertions during Vietnam, they'd have been executing a lot of soldiers, so it seems even the military may comprehend something that should be obvious to you. I don't have any particular respect for deserters, but given the circumstances of this war, I find it more comprehensible. Not the right thing, but comprehensible.

I didn't mean to imply that you should be prevented from flapping your lips, only that you should view what comes out with more care.

Again, you are wrong.

And I don't have to tell you anything about my service. USN, Assault Craft, Unit One, Gunners Mate. Coronado, Ca. I left as a E-5. And if you re-read my post, I didn't say they will get the death penalty, I said they could. That is STILL on the books. Just because it is usually not applied, in this day and age, does not negate that fact. And again, he should stand up and take the consequence's of his actions, instead of running away. That is being principled, in my opinion.

By momofukuNovember 30, 2008 - 11:28am

hatey is the boy who cried wolf. He's such a liar, no one knows what to believe. Then again who cares?

There was a word for that.

I served. 82C in Headquarters Battery of the 3d Battalion, 16th Field Artillery, 8th Infantry Division.

However, I'm ashamed at the lack of support this country has shown to the military with the Conservatards being the worst. Sending our soldiers off to fight a "war" with guns that jam, vehicles they need to weld metal too so they can be a tiny bit safe, no bid contracts to companies that rip our soldiers off charging 30 bucks for a six pack of Coke and making them sick by giving them dirty water.

And then idiot assholes like Momo saying we have almost "won" the war when they can't define what that even means.

They give a "ho-hum" when you point out articles in the new Iraq constitution hostile to "freedom".

Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.

They "yawn" when you bring up the Christians and the Christian religion in Iraq which has been decimated by 1/2 to two thirds with Christians beheaded and crucified.

There eyes grow heavy and their head tilts forward when you talk about the massive number of people killed and monetary cost of the war.

Conservatards "cheered" when dozens of Arabic translators were discharged leaving our sons and daughters unable to communicate in a hostile and dangerous land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKSAJdLLwzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NA1ZTZ-iM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nIcKrcDjg0

Conservatards don't support out troops. Not since before the beginning of the "war". Not only do they "don't" support them, they are openly hostile to our troops putting them in danger and then turning their backs on them. When I was in the service, there was a word for that. "Treason".

This is how people who've

This is how people who've actually served answer the question, momofuku.

By f u bush2 November 28, 2008 - 3:17pm

I'm so thankful for the groups that are assisting people like Shepherd.

Given that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, the commander in chief has violated the constitution, and that the military is now using stop loss measures to keep soldiers in the military for multiple tours of duty in war zones; I have plenty of respect for any soldier who decides enough is enough.

Excuse me, but the battle in Iraq was proposed by the President,

and approved by congress. Nothing in the constitution was violated. For some reason, you neo-com's refuse to face facts, which are contained in the congressional record. You keep flapping your lips, about things you really know nothing about.

No talk of Bin Laden with Bush spinning his nano-legacy

Remember Binky Laden? Droopy face?...setting safe in mountains above India and Pakistan?...panaramic veiw of Mumbai, Islamabad, and Kabul?

"Top of the world, ma!"

Bush--the great liberator of pick-n-choose, cut-n-run military stategy.

Exactly what good will it do to capture or kill OBL?

All it will really do is make him a martyr, which in turn, enhances his stature in that part of the world. Right now, he is made to seem to be weak and ineffectual. I guess you people are unfamiliar with the psychological aspects of this war, as well as not really knowing the enemy. Oh, wait, I forgot, to you people, Bush is the enemy, and OBL is just some poor misguided fool, who needs to be given assess to American courts so that he can use the court as a pulpit to continue spreading his hate against western culture.

What nonsense momodork

The Bush strategy to iignore Bin Laden, after chasing him half-heartedly , has jeopardized the overall world security, as let Laden's organization grow exponentially.

Bin Laden has beaten Bush by outlasting him, and interupting his last days as limp-dick president, with fresh attacks in new territory. Skillet-head Bush leaves office, completely handled by Laden, his tail between his legs.

Can you document this so called Bush Strategy?

I didn't think so.

Fact is, you don't know a thing about military actions. First thing you do is a cost assessment, re: casualties. Bottom line is, OBL is very much marginalized. He has lost stature in that part of the world. This is a war of ideas and psychology, as well as physical battles. On both all counts, we are succeeding.

There isn't anything to document

Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker's "strategy," if it's deserving of the term, revolved around a single word: profit. He went after Iraq, a country that posed absolutely no threat to the United States, in search of that profit, instead of remaining in Afghanistan and finishing the more immediate and critical task of eliminating both bin Laden and the Taliban.

4,207 American service members, and counting, have donated their entire blood supply to that "strategy."

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Tojo was marginalized by 1944

but we caught him and put him on trial for war crimes.
OBL put into action several large scale terrorist actions that have killed thousands of people. And conservotards like you just wave him aside and say, " I don't really worry about him."
Amazing, the lengths to which you clowns go to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
Your " war" is a fantasy, something manufactured, marketed to the weak minded and easily led. We aren't fighting a " War on Terror" anymore than the Japanese were fighting " bandits" in China. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are nothing more than brutal occupations to seize natural resources or the routes for transporting those resources.

Remember these?

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Next question...

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Bush went after surrounded, defanged Saddam

Rather then face a more dangerous enemy he was scared of.

Bush went after Saddam

Bush went after Saddam because if he actually caught Bin Laden, he wouldn't have a boogeyman to hold over our heads, to start his War for Profit.

Remember when we were the land of the free and the home of the brave? The Bush administration has taught us to duct tape ourselves in our homes, to be scared of anyone who isn't a white-bread ignoramus who doesn't know flag-waving from patriotism. He attempted to change the mindset to the land of the surveilled and the home of the frightened, and I'm glad to see that the American people are better than that, they rejected his philosophy of avarice and cowardice.

Texas DA's Cheney Indictment Evidence Revealed (VIDEO)

Texas DA's Cheney Indictment Evidence Revealed (VIDEO)
HuffPost | Dan Duray | November 28, 2008 02:40 PM

Juan Angel Guerra, the Texas DA who indicted both Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales recently revealed the evidence that led him to the indictment in the case that he had codenamed "Operation Goliath". Cheney is accused of responsibility in prisoner abuse because of his financial ties to the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies. Guerra estimates that Cheney has $85 million invested in Vanguard, a financial stake that Guerra says motivated the vice president to halt a 2006 investigation into a prisoner's death.

Video at link

By f u bush2 November 28, 2008 - 10:42pm

Anyone happen to know the most recent example of a sitting Vice President being indicted?
Mmmmm. Juicy. Lookin' forward to the next update from News Channel 5. Keep me posted...
____________________
"Don't be a Dick."

Spiro Theodore Agnew

Nixon's VP.

You can pretty much timeline all Republicans as worthless self-interested scum.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew

Bush lied

 bush lied

Bush is giving either his IQ or his sperm count.

That is the largest number Bush can count to.

This is the US president. How embarrassing. Seriously, the conservatards still support this shitstain on American politics. How can they look at this guy and not see a fool?

You are getting tiresome, oh little one with a little one.

Transcript of Event: "The Jihadists' Revolt Against Al Qaeda"
By Andrew Cochran

On September 23, the Counterterrorism Foundation and New America Foundation held a live panel discussion on Capitol Hill with Peter Bergen, CTB Contributing Experts Evan Kohlmann and Paul Cruickshank, and guest commentator Maajid Nawaz to discuss "The Jihadists' Revolt Against Al Qaeda: Why Some of Al Qaeda’s Old Allies Have Turned Against It." You can view New America's video of that panel, and you can download a transcript, thanks to Assistant Newslink Editor Brett Wallace. Here are excerpts from the panel:

Peter Bergen: "There are two central fronts in the war on terror, Iraq and the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. What happened with Al Qaeda in Iraq, it was an assisted suicide, we helped their suicide and so did the Sunni awakening. They had five problems. First they have terrible leadership. Al Masri who runs AQI is not Zarqawi, Zawahiri or Osama Bin Laden, he is a bad leader. Second is organization. Third is ideological problems, they can’t make compromises. They also have made a lot of enemies such as the 1920’s Brigade. Many of the recruits that have come to Iraq are gone because they commit suicide. The fact that we have seen female suicide attacks is a sign of weakness, not strength.

We know what these groups are against but what are they for? There is no al Qaeda minister of employment, Al Qaeda school, or Al Qaeda social welfare organization. There is not a category of government they have said they are not against, Russia, China, the West, Israel, Shiites and so on. Because of this problem they can’t turn themselves into political movements."

Even Kohlmann: "Arguably over any other issue, the predominant topic of discussion, controversy—and often schism—within the Salafi-Jihadi discourse has revolved around the justifications for deliberately killing other Sunni Muslims, including both innocent civilians and competing mujahideen fighters.

Nowhere else has that debate become more evident and problematic for Salafi-Jihadi leaders than in Iraq, where the insurgency has recently undergone a series of fundamental shifts. First, a wide array of prominent Sunni insurgent factions—including the Islamic Army in Iraq (IAI), the 1920 Revolution Brigades, Iraqi Hamas, and Asaeb al-Iraq al-Jihadiya (to name just a few)—have become embroiled in bitter public feuds with Al-Qaida’s “Islamic State of Iraq” (ISI) over the latter’s aggressive insistence that all Sunni insurgent groups join together under the banner of the ISI. The combined impact of this has undeniably had a debilitating impact on the long-term political viability of Al-Qaida and the ISI."

Paul Cruickshank: "But what we have seen recently emerge in the UK is a backlash against Al Qaeda. While a small group of people have been energized by Al Qaeda’s escalating violence, this group of hardcore extremists is becoming more isolated. The July 7 London bombings and the carnage that Al Qaeda has produced in Iraq and other Muslim countries has made a significant number of British Muslims, who were once on the fence when it came to Al Qaeda, turn firmly against them. I think that one can now say that the Muslim community in Britain is finally waking up to the threat of Al Qaeda terrorism. Moreover, the fact that Jihadists are now taking on Al Qaeda has made it considerably easier for moderates to criticize the terrorist organization.

In the UK there are signs that the radicals are on the back foot. Just anecdotally, I can tell you that attendance seems to be down at events organized by groups supportive of Al Qaeda compared to a few years ago. I asked a leading pro-Al Qaeda militant in the UK about the many empty chairs at one such event this summer and he conceded that it was becoming more difficult to attract young Muslims to such meetings. British authorities have taken advantage of the emerging Jihadist critique of Al Qaeda by pragmatically engaging with Jihadists and Salafists critical of Al Qaeda, while cracking down on the real problem groups. The British government’s approach is to try to isolate the violent extremists."

Maajid Nawaz: "All terrorist jihadist organizations, not meaning Hamas here, but the international global Islamists, they are all Wahhabi in nature and share that creed. Whether you look at North Africa or Lashkar-e-Taiba, they are Wahabi in creed and Islamist in politics. By embracing former terrorists who are still Islamists, there is a danger of a short term tactical gain and a long term ideological loss. By empowering former jihadists, who are yet to recant Islamism itself, are we reinforcing the same ideology that produced terrorism, and if it doesn’t produce it again there is a danger at the very least that they could obtain power and establish a totalitarian state that does not believe in national borders and will conquer neighbors."
October 2, 2008 12:50 PM Print

Do you have a source document for that?

You copy and paste a date and author (whom I can find using Google only on right wing blogs), but no citation of your source document. I can therefore assume that you have just wasted valuable webspace and bandwidth posting yet one more opinion piece.

Is this the kind of entertainment I can expect Friday at Barnes & Noble? Jesus H. Christ, I'd rather read their kids' books! Higher level of intellect.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Bush--just another common everyday chump reactor

It feeds into Bin Laden's plans to frighten leaders into sudden over-reaction.

Hot-headed extreme marshall over-reactions can result in the baby being thrown out with the bathwater.

All this with little expense, like matchs placed betwixt the toes of sleeping giants.

Friday: 21 Iraqis Killed, 58 Wounded

Friday: 21 Iraqis Killed, 58 Wounded
Updated at 6:35 p.m. EST, Nov. 28, 2008

A mosque run by Sadr followers was the target of a suicide bomber in Mussayab. At least 12 people were killed and 19 others were wounded as they were gathering at a security checkpoint before Friday prayers.

In Baghdad, a suicide car bomber killed two people and wounded 14 in a central neighborhood. A blast occurred near a U.S. base in Sadr City; one person was wounded.

In Mosul, two more people died overnight from wounds received in yesterday's bombing; 12 more wounded were also reported, bringing the totals up to four dead and 40 wounded.

Iraqi army soldiers raided a booby-trapped home near Baquba, where two of them were killed and three more wounded.

Four policemen were wounded during a bombing in Khanaquin.

A bomb in Duluiya wounded three policemen.

In Missan province, 1,650 police recruits graduated from their training courses.

Five al-Qaeda suspects were arrested in Tahrir.

A Katyusha rocket fell on a home in Kut, killing a child and wounding two other family members. Nine suspects were arrested.

And you want us to model our country after the french?

Police Treatment of Journalist Prompts Outcry in France

By Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, November 30, 2008; A21

PARIS, Nov. 29 -- The knocks on his door came at 6:40 a.m., Vittorio de Filippis recalled, when Paris was still dark and he was fast asleep. Three police officers -- a pair of men and a woman, all wearing armbands -- had come to take him in.

By the time his ordeal ended five hours later, about 11:30 a.m. Friday, the journalist wrote, he had been manhandled, handcuffed, humiliated in front of his sons, twice forced to strip and submit to body cavity searches and interrogated without lawyers by an investigating magistrate -- all over a two-year-old libel case.

The treatment meted out to Filippis, an executive and former editor in chief of the Paris newspaper Liberation, prompted an outcry Saturday from his colleagues, lawyers and other supporters, who said the tactics were out of place in a country with long and cherished traditions of rule of law and freedom of expression.

The case created a perfect media storm in a country whose citizens love nothing better than a good argument over grand principles. Liberation, a reliably left-wing daily that got its start during the youth uprising of 1968, was well cast for the role of victim. And the police, who have wide latitude in handling suspects under French law, were a natural target for opponents of President Nicolas Sarkozy's law-and-order approach to government.

"In 30 years, this is the first time I have heard of or seen such a thing," said Jean-Paul Levy, one of the newspaper's attorneys. "I am scandalized that this kind of treatment would be inflicted on him over an offense that is only punishable by a fine and not by prison."

Reporters Without Borders, a media advocacy group, condemned what it called "coercive methods" and said they were a sign of "deterioration in press freedom in France." In a statement, the group said: "We are outraged by the unacceptable methods used against Vittorio de Filippis and their humiliating nature. Such a thing has never before been heard of in France. To treat a journalist like a criminal and resort to practices such as body searches is not only shocking but unworthy of French justice."

The Socialist Party's parliamentary spokeswoman, Aurélie Filippetti, denounced what she called "the scandalous conditions" of Filippis's interrogation. She portrayed his treatment as part of an effort, "yet again, to put limits on freedom of the press," suggesting that Sarkozy's government was trying to clamp down on its critics, among whom Liberation would have to rank near the top.

The investigating magistrate, Muriel Josie, refused requests from French journalists for an explanation of what happened. The police issued no formal comment. But Agence France-Presse, the country's main news agency, quoted anonymous police officials as saying that Filippis was hauled in because he had not responded to mailed summons and received rough treatment because he talked back to the "irreproachable" officers who had come to his door.

Filippis, in a detailed account published Saturday by Liberation, said Josie questioned him about a lawsuit brought against the newspaper last year. The suit concerned an opinion article contributed by an Internet commentator and published by Liberation's Web site that described past legal troubles of Xavier Niel, founder of a French Internet access company called Free.

Filippis led the newspaper from May to December 2006, when the article appeared, and thus was responsible under French law. But Josie's main complaint, he wrote, was that he had ignored her mailed summons, forcing her to resort to the arrest warrant. He replied, he said, that he routinely relayed to his attorneys all communications related to the case and that their names and telephone numbers, as well as his own, were in the directory.

Aside from the legal case, the uproar focused mainly on how Filippis was treated by police on his way to the interrogation. In what Filippis acknowledged was a heated exchange, the officers who showed up at his home barred him from calling his attorneys and ordered him to get dressed and go with them.

"Awaked by the noise, my elder son, who is 14, witnessed the whole scene," he wrote in Liberation. "His brother, who is 10, did not come out of his room, but I learned afterward that he was awakened and took this moment very badly."

He continued: "I told the cops that there was perhaps another way to conduct themselves. The response in front of my son: 'You, you are worse than scum.' "

After a stop at the suburban Raincy police station, near his home, Filippis said, he was handcuffed with his arms behind his back and driven to the main Paris courthouse beside the Seine River in the center of the city. After taking all his personal effects, police ordered him to strip and bend over for a body search, he said, before locking him in a cell.

"The room had a table, a roll of toilet paper, a concrete sleeping platform with two blankets," Filippis said. "I saw a toilet in a corner. I sat on the table to avoid the cockroaches and moths."

About 10 a.m., two officers escorted him down a long corridor and ordered him to undress for another search. When he protested, Filippis said, he was told that the investigating magistrate had insisted on following procedure, and so he submitted a second time before being taken into Josie's office.

Josie said she had summoned him numerous times without success, he said, and asked him to identify his attorneys from a list of names. She refused his request to call the lawyers, he added, and so, in a testy exchange, he declined to respond further to her questions. After formally notifying him that he was being investigated in the libel case, she ordered him released, he said, and he found himself on the sidewalk in front of the courthouse.

Secondhand opinions don't make you look any smarter.

Now answer the question, loser.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Amnesty in torture warning over transfer of Iraqi detainees

Amnesty in torture warning over transfer of Iraqi detainees
Middle East News
Nov 28, 2008, 11:03 GMT

London - Amnesty International has warned that Iraqi detainees held by US forces would be at risk of torture, or even execution, if they were handed over to the Iraqi authorities following approval of the security agreement with the US.

Under the agreement, around 16,000 prisoners held by the US would be transferred to Iraqi custody, according to an Amnesty statement released in London Friday.

'The Status of Forces Agreement does not provide any safeguards whatsoever for prisoners transferred to Iraqi custody,' said Malcolm Smart, Director of Amnesty International's Middle East and North Africa Programme.
'These prisoners will potentially be moving from the frying pan into the fire,' he warned.

'We receive persistent reports of gross human rights violations including torture taking place in Iraqi prisons and detention centres,' Smart said.

The US should ensure that no one was transferred to Iraqi custody if they faced a real risk of torture or other human rights violations.

Already, the Iraqi authorities were holding thousands of people, many without charge or trial, and often in appalling conditions, Amnesty said.

'We need to see evidence that there is systematic improvement.'

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Saturday 29 November 2008

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Saturday 29 November 2008

Baghdad

Three people were killed and 14 others were injured when a Katusha rocket hit the building of the UN in the Green Zone in downtown Baghdad around 6 a.m. Iraqi police said. The UN confirmed the incident saying that two people were killed and 15 others were wounded.

Four people were injured (2 civilians and 2 policemen) by a bomb in Gazaliyah neighborhood in west Baghdad around 10 a.m.

Three civilians were injured by an adhesive bomb stuck to a car of an employee in the ministry of interior affairs in Atifiyah neighborhood around 6 p.m.

A civilian was killed and three others were injured by a bomb in Karrada neighborhood in downtown Baghdad around 7 p.m.

Police found one unidentified body in Amin neighborhood.

Diyala

Police found 30 corpses of civilians in al Salam district north of Baquab city.

Nineveh

Gunmen killed two goldsmiths when they attacked their store in downtown Mosul city on Saturday afternoon. After the attack, the gunmen planted two bombs in the store. The bombs detonated when police and people gathered killing a policeman and injuring 18 others (11 policemen and 7 civilians)

So, your saying AI

has a right to interfere with Government policy? They get to dictate to Iraq how prisoners are treated? Poor Obama. What is he to do? Those poor innocent detainees, held at Gitmo, may get sent home, on his watch, because he has to close the facility, to placate you neo-coms. Sorry, fool, but thats the price they will have to pay. Because of you peoples ill thought out positions. If they do get tortured, upon returning to their countries of origin, it will be on your hands.

WTF are you on about now?

Even for you, that made no sense. For the sake of those around you if not for yourself, contact your local faith-based charity and get a voucher for an office visit to a psychiatrist and the medication that you will be prescribed.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury